Adam and Eve Family Three Sons Where Did Girls Come From
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Afterwards Cain was banished, he was marked so no one would kill him, moved to the metropolis of Nod and married. Who were those people? Tomservo 06:17, 20 June 2007 (EDT)
- The Bible talks of Adam and Eve being the first people created - it doesn't say they were the terminal. File:User Fox.png Fox (talk|contribs) 06:21, 20 June 2007 (EDT)
- So erstwhile in between the Fall and Cain'southward exile, God made more than humans but the Bible didn't bother to say anything about it? What other kind of stuff could God have been up to that we don't know most? Tomservo 22:07, 20 June 2007 (EDT)
- LoL - cease setting upwardly straw man arguments. The Bible isn't G-d's diary, yous know! :D 22:25, twenty June 2007 (EDT)
- Yeah, only if there's no caption, should nosotros simply brand one upwardly? I mean, maybe they were demons or something. Tomservo 23:09, xx June 2007 (EDT)
- How about read it for a change. The Bible states that Adam was the begetter to an unknown number of sons and daughters when he died. Karajou fifteen:33, 22 June 2007 (EDT)
- The Bible is really sketchy about the lodge of how things happened. Plus the chat Cain has with God about being worried about being killed makes it pretty clear that at the time there were other people to exist worried about. It's pretty articulate that the multitude of children came after Seth. Tomservo 10:02, 29 June 2007 (EDT)
- How about read it for a change. The Bible states that Adam was the begetter to an unknown number of sons and daughters when he died. Karajou fifteen:33, 22 June 2007 (EDT)
- Yeah, only if there's no caption, should nosotros simply brand one upwardly? I mean, maybe they were demons or something. Tomservo 23:09, xx June 2007 (EDT)
- LoL - cease setting upwardly straw man arguments. The Bible isn't G-d's diary, yous know! :D 22:25, twenty June 2007 (EDT)
- So what does cosmos scientific discipline have to say? I idea it could explicate what development couldn't. Maestro 23:03, 20 June 2007 (EDT)
- 1) Yous're in the realm of history, non scientific discipline, and then creation science has nothing more to say than chemistry on this particular issue.
- ii) Elohim, the word used to describe who created the world, is plural. It ways "gods."
- 3) Yahweh Elohim, the word used to draw who created Adam and Eve, is singular. Information technology means "Lord of the gods."
- 4) Yahweh does not say he was the only god. He says he is the mightiest God. Read God at State of war by Gregory Boyd for a discussion on this point.
- 5) Plato'due south Critias dialogue describes how there were multiple gods, who divided the globe among themselves, and "peopled their districts:"
- So erstwhile in between the Fall and Cain'southward exile, God made more than humans but the Bible didn't bother to say anything about it? What other kind of stuff could God have been up to that we don't know most? Tomservo 22:07, 20 June 2007 (EDT)
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- "In the days of one-time the gods had the whole earth distributed among them by allotment. At that place was no quarrelling; for you cannot rightly suppose that the gods did not know what was proper for each of them to have, or, knowing this, that they would seek to procure for themselves by contention that which more properly belonged to others. They all of them by just apportionment obtained what they wanted, and peopled their own districts; and when they had peopled them they tended the states, their nurselings and possessions, as shepherds tend their flocks, excepting only that they did non use blows or actual strength, as shepherds exercise, but governed us similar pilots from the stern of the vessel, which is an easy way of guiding animals, holding our souls by the rudder of persuasion according to their own pleasure;-thus did they guide all mortal creatures. Now dissimilar gods had their allotments in different places which they ready in social club. Hephaestus and Athene, who were brother and sister, and sprang from the same begetter, having a common nature, and being united also in the love of philosophy and art, both obtained equally their mutual portion this land, which was naturally adapted for wisdom and virtue; and at that place they implanted brave children of the soil, and put into their minds the order of government; their names are preserved, but their actions have disappeared by reason of the destruction of those who received the tradition, and the lapse of ages. For when there were any survivors, every bit I have already said, they were men who dwelt in the mountains; and they were ignorant of the art of writing, and had heard only the names of the chiefs of the land, but very little almost their actions. The names they were willing enough to give to their children; but the virtues and the laws of their predecessors, they knew simply by obscure traditions; and every bit they themselves and their children lacked for many generations the necessaries of life, they directed their attending to the supply of their wants, and of them they conversed, to the neglect of events that had happened in times long past; for mythology and the enquiry into artifact are beginning introduced into cities when they begin to have leisure, and when they see that the necessaries of life have already been provided, but not before. And this is reason why the names of the ancients have been preserved to u.s.a. and not their deportment. This I infer because Solon said that the priests in their narrative of that state of war mentioned about of the names which are recorded prior to the time of Theseus, such every bit Cecrops, and Erechtheus, and Erichthonius, and Erysichthon, and the names of the women in like manner. Moreover, since armed services pursuits were then common to men and women, the men of those days in accordance with the custom of the fourth dimension prepare a figure and image of the goddess in full armour, to be a testimony that all animals which associate together, male likewise as female person, may, if they please, practise in mutual the virtue which belongs to them without distinction of sex activity. "
- six) Information technology stands to reason, taking these sources as historical, that Yahweh Elohim peopled His garden, while the rest of the Elohim peopled the rest of the Earth.
- vii) All cultures concord that some of these gods, (the "Bene Elohim" as named in the Hebrew histories) became corrupt and interbred with human women. The aboriginal history of every world civilization agrees on that point.
- 8) So the people of the world became corrupt and totally violent. Have a wait at archaeological prove of ancient cults if you doubt.
- 9) So Yahweh Elohim sent a flood to wipe out the wickedness. Again, every major world culture agrees on this point. Every culture in the world remembers a overflowing that destroyed everything, and a single family unit that survived.
- You're in the realm of history here. So use historical sources. Ungtss 09:45, 21 June 2007 (EDT)
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- Oh dear, I don't have fourth dimension to have your explanation apart Ungtss, but I'll just brand a few points of my ain.
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- Agreed that information technology is history, but creation scientists are concerned with history, so it is something that they've discussed.
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- The Biblical account is non always in chronological lodge (but as some movies are not; they often have flashbacks, etc.), and sometimes jumps large periods of time. The people in Nod were the descendants (children, grandchildren, etc.) of Adam and Eve (they must take been, as Eve was the "mother of all living" and Adam is the ultimate human ancestor of us all). These events conspicuously must have taken identify after many years had passed, and the population had time to grow.
- Philip J. Rayment 10:37, 21 June 2007 (EDT)
- Merely in this case information technology is in chronological order. It's pretty clear from the Bible that Adam and Eve did not start having many children until Seth was built-in, and that Seth was born after Cain was exiled. Tomservo 06:53, 22 June 2007 (EDT)
- I agree. It seems clear to me that Adam + his family unit were non the only people effectually at that point. That jives with the other ancient histories as well. Ungtss 08:16, 22 June 2007 (EDT)
- How could that jive, then, with the description of the world before the Fall? And the Bible says God made the Heavens and the Earth. Were Japanese Gods Izanami and Izanagi helping Him out? Tomservo 08:24, 22 June 2007 (EDT)
- I'd like you to explain why yous think it'southward in chronological club, and how information technology's "pretty articulate" that Adam and Eve didn't have many other children until after Seth. On the contrary, I'd say that as Seth was born when Adam was 130, as a replacement for Abel, Abel's murder must have happened when Adam was around 129, which is plenty of time for Adam and Eve to have lots of other children, and their children to accept their own children, and them to have their own, etc., i.e. many generations. Philip J. Rayment x:35, 30 June 2007 (EDT)
- How could that jive, then, with the description of the world before the Fall? And the Bible says God made the Heavens and the Earth. Were Japanese Gods Izanami and Izanagi helping Him out? Tomservo 08:24, 22 June 2007 (EDT)
- I agree. It seems clear to me that Adam + his family unit were non the only people effectually at that point. That jives with the other ancient histories as well. Ungtss 08:16, 22 June 2007 (EDT)
- Merely in this case information technology is in chronological order. It's pretty clear from the Bible that Adam and Eve did not start having many children until Seth was built-in, and that Seth was born after Cain was exiled. Tomservo 06:53, 22 June 2007 (EDT)
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- Y'all are making this more difficult than it has to be, as Phillip has pointed out. Cain married afterwards later he already had a number of brothers and sisters and probably nieces and nephews. When you have 900 years or so of time, a lot can happen. Learn together 08:51, 22 June 2007 (EDT)
- Simply remember what Cain asked for when they kicked him out? He said, "But whoever finds me will kill me." Who was he worried nigh if at that place was nobody else around? It'south the same trouble. The Bible never says there was nobody else around. There are two reasons in the Bible itself to believe there were (Cain's marriage in Nod and his fearfulness of beingness killed, and being given a marking to protect him). I can recall of no reason to assume in that location was no one else around.Ungtss 15:28, 22 June 2007 (EDT)
- I've e'er plant that to exist weak. Would it make more sense if Cain believed he was forever going to exist an only child? Worse even so, he has no knowledge of what is beingness said, who is growing up that volition hate him and chase him, etc. Every bit the years would go on, would his next day exist his final from a blow he never even knows is coming? Learn together 20:06, 22 June 2007 (EDT)
- I don't empathise your argument. The KJV in 4:xiii has Cain saying,
- "Behold, thou hast driven me out this twenty-four hour period from the confront of the globe; and from thy face shall I exist hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and information technology shall come to pass, [that] every one that findeth me shall slay me." And the LORD said unto him, "Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall exist taken on him sevenfold." And the LORD set a marking upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
- Cain's remarks betoken some knowledge on his part that there are people out at that place who volition kill him if they observe him -- because why would he exist afraid of things that didn't be? And Yahweh'south deportment (protecting Cain with a mark and promising vengence on whoever harms him) indicate that in that location was somebody to protect Cain from, who would be dissuaded by the marking, and vengence taken upon them if they hurt him. How does this passage brand any sense without other people in the world? Ungtss 20:35, 22 June 2007 (EDT)
- Yes, there were "other" people: other descendants of Adam and Eve. In that location's no need to get speculating nearly others who aren't descended from Adam and Fifty-fifty, and to do so is reverse to the claim that Eve is the mother of all living and that we are all descended from Adam. Philip J. Rayment 10:35, xxx June 2007 (EDT)
- I don't empathise your argument. The KJV in 4:xiii has Cain saying,
- I've e'er plant that to exist weak. Would it make more sense if Cain believed he was forever going to exist an only child? Worse even so, he has no knowledge of what is beingness said, who is growing up that volition hate him and chase him, etc. Every bit the years would go on, would his next day exist his final from a blow he never even knows is coming? Learn together 20:06, 22 June 2007 (EDT)
- Simply remember what Cain asked for when they kicked him out? He said, "But whoever finds me will kill me." Who was he worried nigh if at that place was nobody else around? It'south the same trouble. The Bible never says there was nobody else around. There are two reasons in the Bible itself to believe there were (Cain's marriage in Nod and his fearfulness of beingness killed, and being given a marking to protect him). I can recall of no reason to assume in that location was no one else around.Ungtss 15:28, 22 June 2007 (EDT)
- the Bible says God made the Heavens and the World. Were Japanese Gods Izanami and Izanagi helping Him out?
- The Bible says Elohim (gods) created the heavens and the Earth, but Yahweh Elohim (The Lord of the Gods) created Adam and Eve. The discussion Elohim is used throughout the first affiliate, and discussion(s) "Yahweh Elohim" throughout the second chapter. The difference is so striking that some people retrieve the two chapters are two different creation accounts. I just think the story is focusing in from the general to the particular -- from the gods to the Lord of the Gods. Check out the book of Jubilees and the book of Enoch for some interesting accounts of this time-flow. Ungtss 15:28, 22 June 2007 (EDT)
- You are aware there is a theology called Christianity, correct? As the Bible goes on, it is clear there is only i God. In the New Testament, we get the triune nature. Learn together xx:06, 22 June 2007 (EDT)
- Ah, simply my friend, Genesis wasn't written by Christians:). Even and then, consider Paul acknowledging the being of many gods while proclaiming loyalty to one: "For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there exist gods many, and lords many), Just to united states there is only 1 God, the Begetter, of whom are all things, and we in him; and ane Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and nosotros by him." 1 Cor viii:5-6. Also: "Amidst the gods [there is] none like unto thee, O Lord; neither [are in that location any works] like unto thy works." Ps 86:8; "God standeth in the congregation of the mighty, he judgeth amongst the gods.'" Psalm 82:one. "For you, O Lord, are nearly loftier over all the earth; yous are exalted far above all gods." 97:ix; "Wilt not one thousand possess that which Chemosh thy god giveth thee to possess? So whomsoever the LORD our God shall drive out from before united states of america, them will we possess." Judges 11:24. And who were the Bene Elohim who married the human women, resulting in Giants, per Genesis? They show up again in the conversations between God and Satan in Chore -- check information technology out. Ungtss twenty:34, 22 June 2007 (EDT)
- Nosotros moved a flake beyond the original scope here. Some of these ideas were brought upwards once again in Talk:Other gods if anyone wishes to see further discussion on similar concepts. Learn together 12:l, 27 June 2007 (EDT)
- Ah, simply my friend, Genesis wasn't written by Christians:). Even and then, consider Paul acknowledging the being of many gods while proclaiming loyalty to one: "For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there exist gods many, and lords many), Just to united states there is only 1 God, the Begetter, of whom are all things, and we in him; and ane Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and nosotros by him." 1 Cor viii:5-6. Also: "Amidst the gods [there is] none like unto thee, O Lord; neither [are in that location any works] like unto thy works." Ps 86:8; "God standeth in the congregation of the mighty, he judgeth amongst the gods.'" Psalm 82:one. "For you, O Lord, are nearly loftier over all the earth; yous are exalted far above all gods." 97:ix; "Wilt not one thousand possess that which Chemosh thy god giveth thee to possess? So whomsoever the LORD our God shall drive out from before united states of america, them will we possess." Judges 11:24. And who were the Bene Elohim who married the human women, resulting in Giants, per Genesis? They show up again in the conversations between God and Satan in Chore -- check information technology out. Ungtss twenty:34, 22 June 2007 (EDT)
- You are aware there is a theology called Christianity, correct? As the Bible goes on, it is clear there is only i God. In the New Testament, we get the triune nature. Learn together xx:06, 22 June 2007 (EDT)
- The Bible says Elohim (gods) created the heavens and the Earth, but Yahweh Elohim (The Lord of the Gods) created Adam and Eve. The discussion Elohim is used throughout the first affiliate, and discussion(s) "Yahweh Elohim" throughout the second chapter. The difference is so striking that some people retrieve the two chapters are two different creation accounts. I just think the story is focusing in from the general to the particular -- from the gods to the Lord of the Gods. Check out the book of Jubilees and the book of Enoch for some interesting accounts of this time-flow. Ungtss 15:28, 22 June 2007 (EDT)
- Y'all are making this more difficult than it has to be, as Phillip has pointed out. Cain married afterwards later he already had a number of brothers and sisters and probably nieces and nephews. When you have 900 years or so of time, a lot can happen. Learn together 08:51, 22 June 2007 (EDT)
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I believe that the genealogies were telescoped. DanH 12:57, 27 June 2007 (EDT)
- Why? Ungtss 12:58, 27 June 2007 (EDT)
- Yes, why? Particularly given that the experts believe otherwise? Philip J. Rayment 10:35, thirty June 2007 (EDT)
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